I Am Gorean
Ab175a picture of a Gorean tarnsman by Hope Shaffer
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Please let me start out by saying that while I have attempted to provide some basic information in the text below, this is NOT a substitute for reading the books. I would like to strongly encourage anyone who has an interest in this topic to read the books for him / her self, and if they feel so inclined to do supplementary research, into the history and science that underpins these unique books. In order to gain a deep understanding of the philosophy behind these books, the true current state of our society, and the many civilisations this extensive body of literature is based on.
Information about Gor:
The Gorean Saga is a rather controversial, long running series of sword & planet fantasy, books written by philosophy professor John Langeg, who is writing under the pen name of John Norman
The Gor books depict a counter Earth on the other side of our sun. There is a great deal of detail’ed an imaginative flora and fauna, indeed the “world building” is excellent, in my opinion.
What is most controversial about these books is that on Gor the men, while they are genetically identical to humans from our Earth, are still MEN in the traditional sense of the word. They are strong, brave, respectable and they also live by a strict code of honour. (unlike most men on our Earth who have been weekend by feminist dogma, and seam to attempt to act in a pseudo feminine manor, afraid to stand up and act like the MEN they were meant to be.) The women on Gor are genetically identical to the women of Earth but they are also very different. They are true women. They are not afraid to act the way nature intended, I,e to be feminine, soft, caring, gentle and submissive towards men. Many of the women on Gor are actually enslaved but they soon find that they enjoy their submissive state, relative to their male masters, and would definitely not wish to be free again, even if they had that choice. That is one of the main paradoxes of Gorean Slavery, because the Kajira, soon learns that while she is a slave and must obey her master, and be fully pleasing at all times. She actually finds that she is free to unleash her inner femininity, and be her true self. Thus She comes to cherish her, beautiful brand and collar because in them, she finds true fulfilment and a kind of freedom, to be the woman she was meant to be. Please see: "The Gorean lifestyle actually allows women to be women and men to be Men"
This cover art (right hand side) from the 19th book in the series “Kajira of Gor” should give you a reasonable idea of what to expect in these books. Please click the cover art image for a larger & clearer version
The main protagonist of these books is “Tarl Cabot” who was originally an academic living on Earth, but who was taken to Gor and became a warrior. There are of course numerous other protagonists, in this extremely long and fascinating saga.
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Gorean Cast System
There is a cast system on Gor. There are many casts and subdivisions of casts. Also some casts are considered “high casts” Each cast has its cast colours, and it’s members wear robes that exhibit these colours, on certain occasions. The high casts are as follows:
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There are also many lower casts
It is possible for someone born into one cast to change to another, but this is both rare and difficult.
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There are also many references to a Home Stone. This is simply a piece of stone, but it serves the purpose of a flag, in a way and every peasant’s hut is built around one, as are gorean cities. Loyalty to your Home Stone (essentially the place of your birth) is taken very seriously. All free people (both men and women) have a home stone. (Well actually they will have an allegiance to several. There will be the one in their father’s house, the one their town or village was built around, and the city state to which they belong. I have barely scratched the surface of this topic so to know more please click here alternatively Click here Better still, read the books and draw your own conclusion
These books can be viewed in many ways. There is certainly a lot of action, and some of the best romance stories, I’ve had the privilege of reading as well as a lot of Interesting, insightful and profound, philosophy regarding the natural relationship of men and women, that is diametrically opposed to our modern feminist inspired, politically correct, self-destructive, inversion of the natural order.
Those who follow the Gorean books can be divided into 3 categoreis:
Given these books depiction of gender roles, some people may be surprised to learn that many women from Earth, are fascinated by this world and are active and enthusiastic, members of this subculture. A fair percentage of these women have chosen, of their own free will, to live as slaves, subordinate to a Gorean master, in a 24/7 total power exchange relationship. Others have chosen to live as Gorean free women, who are essentially traditional wives who submit to their husbands and are respectful to men generally. Surely even feminists can’t object to the way other women choose to live, as long as their choice doesn’t harm others of course, and if a woman chooses of her own free will to live as a Gorean woman, surely she has that right, as her choice doesn’t harm anyone, and indeed living in a more natural way will tend to result in more relaxed and less stressful relations with the opposite gender and consequently more harmonious households.
It is very important for those who attempt to incorporate the principles outlined in these books, into their real world lives to remember that while there may be many deep philosophical truths, running through these books, (just as there are behind Star Trek for example) they are fantasy, at the end of the day. There are many aspects of these books that would be either impractical or illegal to emulate in our society. Still none of that detracts from the philosophical truth and wisdom, especially relating to honour and gender roles of course, that runs through these exhalent and inspirational, long-running sword and planet novels..
There are currently 38 of these Gorean novels and most of them are quite long. Most of the stories, run over several novels and since other character’s & story lines are introduced from time to time, the story of other character’s, and especially the main character’s, the Tarl Cabot &Talena storyline, can skip a few other seemingly unrelated novels, only to re-appear in later novels. Indeed there are many Gor novels in which neither of the two main characters appear at all, or in other novels, Tarl might have a very small part, only to return as the main protagonist in later novels. The 38th book in this fantastic saga, “Treasure of Gor” was released on 23/April/2024
While many of the books appear to be based on classical Roman culture, the author has set other books in settings that are clearly based on many other cultures, such as the Arab’s, native Americans, Vikings, and Japanese to name but a few. These are the descendants of people brought from Earth to Gor, long ago, from these different peoples. All of these have different names on Gor of course, and like the earth society’s they were clearly modelled on, they all have slaves. All of these books future female slaves, but there are mail slaves in several of them, and the main protagonist, is himself enslaved on a few occasions.
The author John Norman (John Frederick Lange Jr) is an American philosophy professor, Who also holds a degree in history, and his in-depth knowledge of philosophy is certainly evident in these fascinating novels. There is an element of docudrama, about these novels,. Because John Norman often breaks of from telling his story to explain the “natural order” and how men and women have gone astray, in recent times, on our world to the detriment of both genders. It is this philosophy that I perso
nally find most appealing about these books, along with the romance, action and the immersive worlds of course.
John Norman is the nom de guerre of John Frederick Lange, Jr., born in Chicago, Illinois on June 3, 1931. He began his academic career in 1953, earning the degree of Bachelor of Arts at the University Of Nebraska. In 1957, he graduated as Master of Arts at the University Of Southern California, and in 1963 he earned a doctorate in philosophy at Princeton University. He married Bernice L. Green on January 14, 1956, and has three children, John, David and Jennifer. Norman has been associated in Philosophy at Queens College in New York
John Norman, the philosophy professor who created the barbaric world of Gor
John Norman (John Frederick Lange, Jr.)
John Norman, the philosophy professor who created the barbaric world of Gor
The Picture of John Norman (above) came from Here
There is a lot of, what appears to me, to be, unnecessary cruelty in these books and I definitely don’t agree with that, but in general, a slave who is obedient, respectful and who does her best to pleas her master has nothing to fear. Actually there are many occasions when a slave is safer than her master (or mistress) because if her city falls, while most free men would be put to the sword and free women enslaved, those women who are already slaves will simply transfer to new masters. In addition, I think there is a rather extreme undercurrent of libertarianism, in the philosophy behind these books and while I may agree with some aspects of it, I definitely don’t agree with all of it. But I really like the emphasis on, being true to who you really are, (as a MAN (Master) or a Woman (Kajira, bond maid or maybe free) personal honour, respect, loyalty, and the right of free men to bear arms.
So how ever strongly you disagree with the view I’m expressing here, which is your right, , I do hope that you accept that I have the right to express my opinion, Just as you have the right to express yours of course.. I for one do NOT want to live in a society like that depicted in 1984, with thought police.and Room 101 Also if you study wildlife behaviour, you will see that in almost all species, there are significant differences between mails & females, both in the structure of their bodies, and their behaviour. No one who’s studies elephants, Chimpanzees, or lions, would seriously claim that the males and females of these (and almost all other) species behaved in the same way or had the same bodies for that matter. So why would we suppose this is the case with humans. When even the most casual observer will see that there are numerous physical differences. Also if we are left to our own devices, (not brainwashed by the feminists or bribed with the actual or implied, granting of sexual favours, always under the control of the woman of course.) you will see that men and women behave in very different ways. This is how we evolved to be and consequently how humans work best, as a species. John Norman, often refers to these differences, in these books, between genders, using its scientific name Sexual Dimorphism
It is true that there are instances in the books where “Kajira Canjellne” a Gorean term meaning “I challenge your right to this slave”, occurs. So men do fight over the ownership of kajirae, but these are quite rare. Also they are fights to the death. Now you may say “how barbaric” but I say this is far kinder than the way it works in our cruel society. In “Kajira Canjellne” on Gor one man walks away with his new kajira and the other is dead and their for isn’t forced to continue to suffer, as in our sick society. Where many men are compelled to continue to exist like people who have lost a monopoly game many turns ago, but must continue to live a sad and lonely existence, moving their piece around the board, with no hope of success, just the constant fear that they will land on one of their opponent’s expensive, developed properties, that they have no way of paying for, knowing that their kind and compassionate opponent will say “don’t worry about what you owe this time, just carry on and maybe you’ll have more luck on the next round.” When all you want to do is resign (Die). The Gorean way may seem to be barbaric, but I believe it is actually MUCH kinder. Also the more men die, the more women are available for those who are left, of course. From the woman’s perspective, this means that the “weaklings” are weeded out of the mail population and so she can more easily select men that will have good jeans for her children, also the men she ends up with will be strong and successful, and so she will feel safe and be able to respect and submit to them, as is fitting of course.
I am definitely NOT claiming that either gender is better than the other over all, only that we have a different mix of strengths and weaknesses. I believe we (men & women) are meant to complement and support one another, not to compete with one another. I would further claim that in the natural order of things, we fit together psychologically, just as we fit together physically, or we did until the feminist propaganda started screwing it all up, that is.
Finally even if you don’t agree with John Norman’s philosophy regarding gender roles, which is modelled on the way human beings have lived successfully, for many thousands of years, before we decided that we “knew better” see The Gorean Way. Hopefully you can at least see that it is healthy for someone to put forward a serious alternative view to the propaganda that is constantly pumped out of every TV and radio station, not to mention the newspapers. In my view this is as basic and undeniable, as saying that 2+2=4 "Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4 if that is granted all else follows."- Winston Smith 1984" See 1984 2+2=4 and 1984 2+2=5 It is true that few people in our society are tortured on the rack or threatened with ravenous rats, for daring to hold and express views and beliefs that are outside the Overton Window, our society uses other methods, people loose (or never get) employment, are shunned by others and become socially isolated, are not admitted into (or get expelled from) groups or organizations and some are denied bank accounts. All because they hold views that others don’t agree with. Why can’t people respect one another’s right to disagree? Why do they fear an honest and open debate? Just as an example of the price people pay, I our so called permissive and tolerant society for coming out as a gorean read this article about a Drupal developer who was dismissed from the project simply because they found out that he was gorean. Also see TMI About me
On Earth, this feminist inspired insanity has even reached the point where many young, western, educated, women are prioritising their careers over raising a family. Consequently the birth rate in affluent countries, has fallen well below replacement level. Resulting in a disproportionately large number of increasingly frail older people who are unable to work and require social / medical care, and a disproportionately small number of working age people, who could provide that care. Also since the UK state, old age pension system is designed in such a way that working people’s contributions, don’t actually pay for their own pension, but rather they are paying the pensions of those who are already retired. The people who are currently retired paid for the pensions of the people who were retired when they were working of course. But as the number of working age people gets smaller relative to the retired population, it becomes increasingly hard for them to support the ever proportionately larger number of old people who are currently in receipt of pensions. This crisis is the direct result of young women (feminists) deciding to prioritise their careers over rearing a family. One of the many fundamental problems with feminism, as a philosophy is that it prioritises the gratification of the individual, over what is in the best interests of the family and society in general. If instead of focusing on the individual, you look at the needs of society to have children (or we’d go extinct) and the needs of those children for a stable household with a mother to care for them and a father to protect and provide for them, then the traditional family structure makes MUCH more sense, but this modern feminist system, totally ignores the needs of the men (aren’t we people too?) and much more importantly, even the children, for the love and nurturing care of their mother. All is subjugated to the feminists selfish “I’m entitled to it because I’m worth it” philosophy. “I want a career so sc**w my responsibilities to my children, husband, elderly parents or society at large”. To be fair, men also have responsibilities, but they are expected to honour them in different ways, commencement with their different mix of abilities. Lets be clear here for the sake of balance, I view selfish and irresponsible men, in a far harsher light than equivalent women, both have to play their part if the family and society at large is to prosper. In the long run, I believe it could cause the fall of western civilisation. I want to see a world where we can all “love” one another, I,e value, respect, care for, one another. This requires a system of rights and responsibilities. Men must do all they can to be honourable and behave in a way that EARNS the respect, of their pears and the women in their lives and most especially their wives. Men should do everything they can to provide for and protect their families, even if it costs their own lives, and I believe women have a right to expect this in a man, but when she sees this, the woman should trust and submit to that man. Asist him in any way she can, (because what she’s actually assisting him with, ultimately helps him to carry out his role of protecting and providing for her and their children), including raising their children. I know this is a very olfaction view that is not considered politically correct, but it’s the only way that we know actually works. By “works” I mean it tends to create stable, loving, long lasting, families that can give children the best possible start in life. I know this works because, unlike the current feminist insanity, this is how the vast majority of humans have lived, for almost all of human history, baring the last 60 years of self-destructive insanity. The feminists say that the problem is the high cost of “child care” because they assume that they have to go out to work, and outsource the care of their children to child minders, but children need the LOVE of their own mothers, not a stranger, even if she is well meaning. I say the best person to raise a pre-school child is his / her own mother, and I consider it appalling that women assign a higher priority to their careers, than they do to the wellbeing of their children. I’m also appalled at the pathetically week, men who allow them to harm their children in this way. The feminist approach of “I’ll do what I like and F**k everyone else and especially my husband” only results in divorce and single parent households, where the mother is forced to attempt the impossible task of being both a father and a mother, which is definitely NOT in the child’s interests. Obviously if the father makes it impossible for his wife to respect him, by acting a way that is clearly destructive to the family, such as being an addict or a career criminal or is unable to control his temper, then I accept there may well be circumstances were the woman and children are better off without him. But being respected and looked up to by a woman is a VEREY VERY important thing, for a man, and the thought of losing that respect would give most men a very good reason to try to sort themselves out, go to rehab, get counselling etc et. Just to illustrate how important having a woman’s respect is to men, in surveys of men who’ve left their wives, the vast majority said that they started thinking of leaving because they didn’t feel respected. Some amazing and insightful women have discovered that feminism is a lie that is even harmful to women as well as to men and children, of course. Pleas see: Video 1 & Video 2 So to get back to Gor, Kajirae respect their masters on Gor. Which is another reason why I really like the Gor novels.
General Gorean Info:
Gor - Books vs Reality
Being guided by the Gor books vs blind adherence to them
Do you have to agree with everything in the books to be Gorean?
Gorean learning. (you might have to Log in to YouTube)
Gorean Masters Informtion and Teachings
Gor Wikipedia
Gorean subculture Wikipediamaster
RL Gorean Master - Alec Purves (aka Rocker)
The Gorean Cave
Chronical of Gor
The Annals of Gor
Gorean Dictionary
Internet Archive
Gor in the UK
Gor Video Library and Second Life (Some short videos giving Advice for Men on how to be a Gorean Master)
Gorean Dictionarys:
Kaissa (Gorean Chess)
They play a form of chess on Gor called “Kaissa” The board has 10 squares per side (unlike the 8 squares in Earth chess) also the pieces are based on things that are found on Gor, and of course the rules are different.
Gorean Community:
What Is The Future of the Gorean Community?
Invitation To Ontario Gorean Assembly Monthly Meetings
History of the Gorean Community
Gorean Lifestyle - Alec Purves
GoreanScribe - Community of Gor also see the Gorean Scribe Discord
Some more Goreans here on Earth:
Strengths and Misconceptions of Kajira
Gorean Lifehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LufTmfviob0
Gorean Living - Info on Living as a Gorean on Earth
Natasha Millson (Sign In Required)
What It Means to Be an Owned Kajira
Strengths and Misconceptions of Kajira
The Challenges of Being Kajira in Today’s Society
Adapting Gor to Fit You" with Master Brian and Rad ( Every Gorean has / her own interpretation of what it means to be Gorean. This couples interpretation is certainly different from mine, but if it works for them that’s great, I wish them well )
Gorean Internet Radio Stations
These are mostly just playing music, but I have heard info about Gorean sims on SL. There are other Gorean Radio Stations, but these are the only two I've been able to get working, so that I could actually listen to them on my PC. There are lost of Mirrors of “Gorean Whip Radio” I’ve only put one here because they are all playing the same audio. I picked this particular one because it has a choice of two stations.
Gorean Whip Radio - or - Loyal Listeners Scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the big button. There are two stations so press the arrows for the other one.- Click Here for the Play List. also Here is an Alternate Listening URL Finally here is the Gorean Whip Radio playlist
Tor-Tu-Gor Radio - Click here for the player Then press play to listen. Please Click here for more info. Also see his Mirror of Tor-Tu-Gor Radio
Gorean Cast System
Gorean Podcasts
Ontario Gorean Assembly Podcasts
Dealing with the "We Goreans..." crowd
Alternative URL for - Dealing with the "We Goreans..." crowd - (you may need a Proxy or VPN)
Gorean & BDSM Dating:
Gor Books VS Rreality:
People who want to live in a Gorean manor in spite of the fact that they live on Earth, have to confront a dilemma, because our society on Earth is very different to the society depicted in the counter earth saga. see: The Gorean Way. Most particularly our laws and customs are different, with different standards of “acceptable” behaviour. These things are different from one country to another, how much more so when comparing Earth with Gor, as presented in the books. Many things you read about in the books would be illegal on earth such as “taking slaves” and “fighting to the death” to name but a few. Also there are other differences, such as the gravity on Earth is stronger than on Gor and the flora and fauna are different too. For example there are no Tarns or kyela to ride on Earth. Consequently it simply isn’t possible to live exactly according to the books in reality on earth, since the books weren’t primarily set on Earth. If you did, try to live exactly by the books, on earth, you’d probably end up either dead or in prison. But there are many Gorean practices that it is possible to follow, here on earth. Here are some Goreans views on living as a Gorean on Earth.
books vs Real life.. the Gorean ways part 2
Being guided by the Gor books vs blind adherence to them
The ideals of female beauty in the Gor books vs real life women
Proper use of the fiction in the Gorean lifestyle
Female warriors from a Gorean free woman's perspective
You Tube Links:
What is Gor:
Master Rocker and slave Brandi Introduction
Who the Hell is John Noman and what is Gor
Do you have to agree with everything in the books to be Gorean?
What is a Kajira ?
This image of a kneeling Kajira came from here..
Rocker and kajira Brandi - What Is A Kajira
Introduction Of a Kajira Part 1
Introduction Of a Kajira Part 2
What's That Term Episode 22: kajira
Interview with xiaoyi, a Gorean kajira
Gorean Interview with bondmaid_hrafn.
Gorean Lifestyle - House of Phoenix
What is a Kajira? ( just one of many interpretations) Sign In Required
Another REAL Kajira living here on earth
The Gorean Kajira’s Slave Creed.
“He is Master, and I am slave. He is Owner, and I am owned.
He commands, and I obey.
He is to be pleased, and I am to please.
Why is this?
Because He is Master, and I am slave.
Explorers of Gor, page 178”
Censorship:
John Norman’s letter on being disinvited from the 59th World Science Fiction Convention
Gor Vs BDSM:
"A slave girl of Gor differs greatly from the slaves, or submissives, of the BDSM world. Submissives are in control of their world, their submission, having the ability of a "safe word" when he or she becomes uncomfortable. Rules are set by the submissive to the dominant as well. Male submissives are comfortably accepted in the BDSM philosophy.
With the Gorean slave, it is much different. The Gorean slave does not make rules, is not allowed the luxury of a "safe word." The Gorean slave lives the ultimate submission. Men consider themselves the only dominants, and many look down upon the male slave. I often admire the conviction a male slave of Gor has, his life much harder than that of the female."
This quote, was copied from: The Annals of Gor
Gor vs. BDSM (kajira's view)
BDSMers 101 for Goreans
Coming to Gor from a BDSM background
House of Phoenix - GOR vs BDSM
Gorean Free Women 101 for BDSMers
Compatibility in Gor and BDSMLecture #18 Gorean Lifestyle from a BDSM perspective
Gor Vs BDSM
DSM and Gor
One girl's viewpoint - Gor vs BDSM
What's the Difference Between a Lifestyler and a Player?
BDSM is VEREY different in this regard. Normally terms such as master or slave only apply within the confines of that couple’s relationship. A BDSM sub would not normally be required to address someone else’s dominant as master, nor would there be any expectation for her to show him any more respect than she would show to any member of the public, because he is NOT HER MASTER. I have to say that while this is the general rule, BDSM communities vary greatly and some may well expect all subs to show respect to all dominants, within their community.
One other difference is with the “contracts” and “safe words” that BDSM’rs use. True Goreans don’t use either of these. Now it has to be said that we don’t live on Gor, and so it is impossible to fully replicate Gorean practice on earth. Both because of legal restrictions in most countries, and because, practices vary on Gor (in the books) depending on the city state or tribe, you are talking about. So while the institution of female slavery is virtually universal on Gor, except in Thana at one at one time. The details vary, such as the type of clothing they are permitted (if any), the collars they wear and some brands. So in Are if a fee woman is caught “couching” with a slave, she herself becomes a slave and belongs to the owner of the slave she was caught couching with, but this law doesn’t apply in other Gorean cities, were some free women own their own “silk slaves”. Also there are practical differences, such as the absence of Tarns, Sleen or Leach Plants, on earth. Not to mention the fact that the gravity is less on Gor. Basically there are things that could be done on Gor, that would be difficult, illegal or impossible to replicate on Earth. Still those Goreans who attempt to live this lifestyle on Earth, try to incorporate as much Gorean practice into their lives as possible, and Gorean slaves don’t sign slave contracts or have safe words. So this is another difference between Goran’s and BDSM’ers. I am not saying that either is better or worse than the other, only that they are different.
Obviously the absence of these important, safe guards, mean that the Gorean Kajirae have to have much more confidence and trust in their master, than a BDSM sub, and of course on earth, that confidence and trust must be earnt before a woman can be expected to give the total submission expected of a gorean kajira, but if a Gorean master loves his kajira, (something frowned on in the books, but rightfully expected on earth) then he will do everything in his power to protect cherish and nurture her, encuridging and supporting her to reach her full potential as a woman. knowing this, she will feel safe in his presence, and consequently she will be able to relax and be truly feminine. I,e be “fully pleasing” as stated on numerous occasions in the books, or as I would put it, a real treasure and a joy to her master. Of course there is the potential for this trust to be abused, but anything is capable of being abused. Lets take the case of a simple tea cup. If I choose to hit someone over the head with it, it could become “exhibit A, the murder weapon”. I would respectfully submit that this does not indicate that there is anything wrong with tea cups, and it certainly doesn’t mean that tea cups should be banned, but If I were to misuse the tea cup in this way, (except in self-defence or the defence of others) then it does indicate that something has gone seriously wrong in my head, but we shouldn’t prevent everyone from using tea cups just because the occasional lunatic used one as a weapon. Rather make these violent lunatics take responsibility for their actions.
It is of course also possible that a Kajira may perceive her masters love for her as a weakness that she can use to manipulate him or even blackmail him. The simple hard truth is that, here on Earth, while a man can and in my opinion should love his Kajira, even to the point of sacrificing his own life to defend her, still he must be strong enough to walk away, and the woman needs to know that if she attempts to use his love for her, as a way to manipulate him, he will show her his true strength by being genuinely prepared to walk away, and by actually doing so, if necessary, however much this may hurt him. Hard as it sounds, if a man is to week to end the relatioship, then the Kajira will not respect / submit to him, and he will not be her master, in reality, even if she pretends to submit to him, in order to get what she wants from him. This is VEREY hard for men such as me to hear, but this is a fundamental truth. No woman can truly respect a man, who is too week to walk away. I’ve seen this proven in RL relationships again and again in my life and the lives of friends over the years. Basically a man can love a kajira and still be her master, but if you need her than she will sense that and cease to respect you. Then she’ll despise you and start to use your “weakness” against you. A Kajira can afford to beg her master not to leave or to take her back, but a master, cannot afford to do this, or he will no longer be a master. This is why Kajira must beg for their collar. This isn’t to say she’s a bad kajira, no this is simply the fundamental nature of women. They need to see REAL strength in a man before they can genuinely submit to him. When I say strength, I don’t necessarily mean physical strength, although this is a part of it because she expects the man to be able to protect her physically, but also emotional strength. The man needs to be the rock that she can cling to, not a pathetic wimp who follows her around begging for sexual favours. He also needs to earn her respect in other ways of course, such as by being honourable, I’s by demonstrating that his word is something that she can depend on, and by being prepared to prioritise others needs (note that I say needs not wants), and especially her needs, above his own. Non of this is easy, but this is what it takes to make a woman on earth genuinely submit to a man of her own free will. Now I know how it works in the Gor novels, but we don’t live on Gor so, unless you like prison food, (I’ve never tried it and I don’t want to.) I would suggest that following the practices in the books, to the letter is not a good idea. But it is possible to become a man that some women will be prepared to submit to in reality, a man who has demonstrated that he is worthy of their respect and trust. So much as I wold love to wake up on Gor and either buy a kajira in an auction, or challenge someone to a fight to the death, for one. I have to accept the reality that I live on Earth, and so, however appealing the practices outlined in the Gor books are, (and I find these books fascinating) they need to be adapted somewhat, to suit this world. If you kidnap your slave girl (like in the books if she has a different home stone to you.) or kill another man in a fight for her (like the “slave girl challenge ( Canjellne )” in the books) then your probably going to spend a VEREY long time in prison, so you won’t get to spend very much time with your new slave. But if you can be a man that she chooses to submit to, because you’ve earnt her trust and respect, then you could have a life time together, with NO prison food.
So in conclusion, while there are many similarities between 24/7 total power exchange BDSM slaves, and Gorean Kajirae, there are also some important differences. Essentially most BDSM’ers are “playing a temporary scene” with safe words and contracts, while Gorean lifestylers, are living their lives in a Gorean manner, without safe words or contracts. 24/7 Total Power Exchange (TPE) BDSM’rs do come much closer to Gorean lifestylers than any other BDSM'rs.
Advice for those who aspire to become Gorean Masters
While I have found numerous YouTube video’s and web pages talking about what is expected of a Kajira (or bond maid of course) there is VERY little about what is expected of a, Gorean master. It should be obvious that much is rightly expected of him, especially here on Earth, where we expect a woman to voluntarily become a Kajira, and consequently put her self under her masters legitimate authority & protection. indeed she must actively seek and work towards this achievement, but rarely is that spelt out and I have NEVER seen any kind of formal training with certification, aimed at masters. (I don’t know what’s in SL, I haven’t been in there for many years) This is a pity because I feel that there are many qualities that a true Gorean master should embrace and demonstrate, in his life. This is just my opinion of course, but at least it’s a start. So what kind of man can you reasonably expect a woman to submit to on earth?
Here is a brief and incomplete summery off the top of my head:
It must be remembered that many of these things are subjective judgements, and are also relative. He must be a stronger person than his Kajira, (Both physically and emotionally.) so that she can perceive him as being strong but, there will always be other men who are stronger, in some ways, or weaker in others. What matters as far as his woman’s decision to submit to him, is her perception of him. No man could max out all of the above criteria, not Arnold Schwarzenegger or Elon Musk, no real man. but what matters, as far as the woman is concerned is how she sees the man, and us human men, here on Earth and especially here in the west, are lucky that, just as our perception of women is subjective so their perception of us is also subjective. Without this no man would stand a chance of impressing a woman sufficiently to persuade her to bend her knees, and beg for his collar. For this I’d like to refer you to one of my favourite songs. Looking Through The Eyes Of Love by GENE PITNEY
Also I freely admit that I view the above list as standards that I aspire to. I am certainly not claiming that I meet all of them all the time. Or even that I have ever met all of them. But I am a human being who dose his best to reach these objectives and recognises that I have fallen short when I fail. I try to learn from my mistakes and do better next time. The good news for men such as myself is that Women are human too. Note the lyrics to this beautiful song “I stumble and fall, but I give you it all” Barbra Streisand - Woman in Love
Just in case, any man thinks that being stronger both emotionally & physically makes us better than women, and thus becomes arrogant or complacent. I say that both men and woman have an equal mix of strengths and weaknesses. And that these are designed to complement one another. Being physically and emotionally stronger dos not mean that we don’t need women. I fundamentally disagree with the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way.) movement on that one. I definitely understand the motivation behind MGTOW, in the light of feminism, but heterosexual men need woman just as, I believe, heterosexual women need men. So I agree with the reasons behind MGTOW, but I don’t agree with their solution to the problem. I believe men need to stand up and be MEN, as described above, and give woman something they can’t help but respect. In some ways this is harder than the MGTOW way but unlike the MGTOW way it results in decent, stable, supportive family’s. I simply means that, for the relationship to work, in the long term, the woman must see you as a source of strength, protection and security that she can trust and depend on. Remember that only women can have babies, and that women have the ability to nurse those babies, and an innate ability to understand and sooth them. They have the ability to understand, sooth and support us emotionally too. This support can take many forms but is most commonly expressed in domestic chores, and emotional support, but it often goes far beyond this. Remember that both sexes need the other in order to fulfil their own potential. Just as black highlights white, so masculinity highlights femininity and vice versa of course. The feminists are attempting to create a grey, androgynous world where neither gender can fulfil it’s natural potential. Also let me clarify that when I say that men need to be stronger emotionally, all I really mean by that is that men need to be strong enough to walk away. I don’t mean that the woman doesn’t support the man emotionally, because of course she can and usually does, To see what I mean by emotional support listen to this wonderful song that I believe demonstrates a woman providing vial emotional support, to her man. Don't Give Up by Kate Bush & Peter Gabriel Remember that since she also depends on the man in many ways it’s actually in her interests to support him, because by doing this she is also supporting her self and their family through him. Still I marvel at woman’s magical ability to provide this support, and I know I’ve been glad of this kind of support from time to time myself. But the man can’t afford to become so dependent on that support that he can’t walk away if the need arises, because if he were to do that he would cease to be the master. So to illustrate all this I’d like to give you another beautiful song to listen to. “It's a mans world by James Brown” Most people only seem to listen to the first part of the lyrics. I’e it’s a mans world and how men made the modern world. This is true but virtually all of the men that did these great things were supported by women. So now listen to the rest of the song “it don’t mean nothing, without a woman or a girl” So yes I believe that men should be the head of a household, the master if you will, and that woman should submit to their master (husband) but don’t see any place in this for arrogance or complacency on the mans part. I believe that men and women are only able to fulfil their potential when they support one another. Yes they have different roles, just like a goal keeper and a centre forward, in soccer, but while their roles are different they are both part of the same team, both supporting one another.
I know much of the above doesn’t sound very Gorean, and I definitely believe a Kajira should do her level best to be as submissive, respectful and supportive as she can possibly be to her master but we live on Earth not on Gor and in reality, here on Earth, this is definitely a two way street, the master has to be their for his Kajira, in ways that are appropriate to his position as master of course.
Also I freely admit that I view the above list as standards that I aspire to. I am certainly not claiming that I meet all of them all the time. Or even that I have ever met all of them. But I am a human being who dose his best to reach these objectives and recognises that I have fallen short when I fail. I try to learn from my mistakes and do better next time. The good news is that Women are human too. Note the lyrics to this beautiful song “I stumble and fall, but I give you it all” Barbra Streisand - Woman in Love
This is just my brief list of course. Wiser heads than mine may come up with a better list but I feel that this is a start. It may seem like a long list but am aware that I’ve hardly scratched the surface. But I’ll summarise all the above and much more by saying that he must be a Real MAN. That this is diametrically opposed to the week gender neutral wimps that the feminist seam to approve of is obvious.
As is mentioned in the Gor books, masters want intelligent slaves, so that they can have a decent conversation with them. It is quite possible that a slave might have formally been a scribe (blue cast) or even a member of the green cast (doctor) or yellow cast (merchant). So she may know more about some specific areas than her current owner. In such a circumstance the master would be a fool not to ask for her opinion / advice if he has a problem that his slave would know more about than him. This dos not make him week, because having listened to this advice / opinion it is entirely his decision as to weather he takes the suggested action or not. Indeed she must defer to him and submit to his will in all decisions. I fully realise this is a lot to ask of a woman, in our time, on Earth but in my humble opinion, that is an important part of what it means to be a Kajira. Indeed I’d say it’s an important part of what makes any decent marriage work, in the long term. I’ve been a Trekkie since I was a small boy and I can recall numerous situations when captain Kirk would call his officers together so that they could all contribute to a discussion regarding their current dilemma. Scotti the engineer clearly knew more about the ship than Kirk, McCoy the doctor more about biology, Spock, the first and science officer, more about science, etc etc. They would all have their say and inform the group of relevant information from their respective specialist areas, and the Captain would listen to and consider all that they said, carefully weighing one thing against another in his mind. All the senior officers had their say, and there were often conflicting views but once Kirk made his decision the discussion was over and they all got on with implementing what ever Kirk had decided. Kirk wasn’t above listening to the advice of his officers but he was in command. At the end of the day the decision and the responsibility for that decision was his and his alone. That is how a master should be with his Kajira, in my opinion. She should be able to talk to him, at an appropriate time, and respectfully share her thoughts and opinions, etc but once her master makes a decision she must submit to her masters will, and do her very best to comply with it, however much she disagrees. Disagreement is fine, disrespect or worse, disobedience is not. Certainly the Kajira shouldn’t disagree with her master in front of others. Officers ask their superiors for “permission to speak freely” in a similar vain a Kajira must ask for permission to speak, unless she has been granted a standing permission, and if this is the case she must be aware that this privilege can be instantly revoked, at any time. Disagreeing with her master, in public, is an abuse of that standing permission, in my opinion. Unless the master has previously given her permission to explain her view to very close friends or relations etc as might happen from time to time.
The Gorean Voice Lots of good advice for masters
Gor Video Library and Second Life - Some short Video's - SL & RL Advice
If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies, Or being hated, don’t give way to hating, And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master; If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
Gor in the Metavers RPG:
Why Would a Real Life Woman Want to Be a Second Life Slave
Tales of Gor + Review of Tales of Gor
Gor Video Library and Second Life
Gorean Forum & RPG
DISCORD - Skjern- A Torvald City of Gor
Gorean Comedy;
Jokes of Gor - Rare and Largely Unknown Gorean Quotes
Jokes of Gor II - Beginning Gorean 101 and more Jokes
Best Gorean You Tube Posters:
Alec Purves (MasterRocker)
Natasha Millson (Sign In Required)
Natasha Millson (British - Sign in Required)
subbiemouse Also Please See Kajira Amber Frank
BDSM but great - Kinky Sam Jones
Gorean Book Reviews:
Tarnsman of Gor
Roxy Reads: Tarnsman of Gor
The British Gor Paperbacks Of John Norman In 1st Edition - Chronicles Of Tarl Cabot!
USA And French John Norman Gor 1st Edition Paperbacks + Feedback From The Last Video!
Slave Girl of Gor
Banned From the book store. Ep 1. Tarnsmen of Gor
Banned From the Book Store Ep 2. Outlaw of Gor
Banned from the Book Store Ep 3. Priest Kings of Gor.
Kajira of Gor (2 1/4 hours drunk Australian Women reviewers, Good Laugh)
Supplementary Reading (Not read and so not yet recommended, but obviously related to Gor):
Kajira Handbook: A Guide To The Gorean Lifestyle Paperback – 20 Nov. 2021 by Master Vadim
Gorean Fan Fiction:
5th Passage Hand, 10,157 CA, Sulport
Slave Positions:
Evie Lupine “BDSM Slave Positions came from Gor
Angelfire's Gorean Slave Positions
kajira Joy in a red camisk Very Good but needs Sign in
Gorean Slave Positions Good but needs Sign in
Displaying Slave Positions - Anthea kajira (Sign In Required)
RL Total Power Exchange Couple interviews (some Gorean some BDSM):
I would like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to the amazing people in the videos below this text. These men are amazing because they have earned such a profound degree of trust and respect from their slaves, and these woman are amazing because they recognise this strength in their masters and consequently feel safe (because they know their masters will love, cherish & protect them, and are therefor able to give this trust and respect, and indeed service. In addition, they have been brave enough to publically contradict the current feminist ideology. This is no small thing, in these days where people are shunned, ridiculed and “cancelled” for daring to have views that fall outside the current (and constantly moving) Overton window I especially like the explanation given by Kimberly (the slave in the first of these video’s “BDSM: A Master & Slave Relationship” regarding how this works from her perspective, but in truth I think they’re all amazing people, and I for one feel that I could learn a great deal from each and every one of them, as well as from most of the other Gorean YouTubers.
BDSM: A Master & Slave Relationship - See Aussie woman happy to be a ‘slave’ & Kim Debron
Berlin and Angel Blue interview 1
Berlin and Angel Blue interview 2
Lifestyle Documentary:
Introduction
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Andrew & Dawn
Conversations With A Real Life Sub/dom Married Couple
Gorean Cloths:
Gorean AttirSome more Goreans here on Earth
Miscellaneous YouTube:
BDSM Behavioural Slave Training
Taking Sub/ Dom outside of the bedroom WARNING there is a lot of swearing in this informative Video.
Collars and other symbols of ownership and submission in a BDSM
Submissive Guide - BDSM (Not specifically Gorean.) but still really good podcasts.
